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John Snyder | | Hi All,
I have been away on hiatus, but as you see, I am still alive and kicking. A couple of weeks ago, I had a disturbing experience, I came home to find my 13 year old Niece and two of her friends on my computer. What disturbed me so much was the site they were on, Cragslist.
Here's why:
Craigslist-Wide Open Porn Site?
Let me ask you a few important questions. Do your children have access to a computer and the internet? Do you really know all there is to know about Craigslist? Have you ever really explored all sections of it? Go ahead, for your own enlightenment, just open the Personal Section, from any nearby City Site (Best to enter Rants & Raves, Then access all Personals) and click on the ads that have PIC on them. Did you notice how easy it was to get in here, so have your Kids! In fact it was my thirteen year old Niece
Who showed it to me.
Craigslist is a Nationwide wide open site with absolutely no security measures to prevent our kids from gaining access to the Pornography posted there. You will be shocked as to the perversions you find there, sex acts of all diversions are in full color, graphic in detail, and of actual real persons. They are disgusting to say the least. This is like someone flashing your kids, something you certainly would not stand for.
Politicians please take note. If you want a Cause that will push your campaign to the forefront, this is it. This is not only a local problem but is Nationwide as Craigslist has the same format in every major City. They are Headquartered in California but a local cry for clean-up here may have Nationwide implications. They have disclaimers on the site that no one under 18 may view the material there, but that is the extent of their Security. That is like posting a “Keep Out” sign on an old barn, did it keep you out as a kid? Of course not, you went in because it was forbidden. Do you think that it is any different for kids today? Just because an Adult says, “Do Not Go In”, they will go. Craigslist does not monitor its sites and readily admit when you post anything that they do not screen the content and that you are solely responsible for the content.
Many Adults are oblivious as to what is going on here because they have never even seen this section of Craigslist, but it is well known to middle-schoolers and younger. They print out and share these photos on the school bus on their cell phones and laptops.
Everyone needs to contact their Congressman or Senator right now and demand that action be taken to protect our kids.
Private Reply to John Snyder | | Oct 11, 2010 8:03 pm | | re: This is a Matter of Deep Concern! | # | 
Scott Wolpow | | John,
That type of content is all over the Internet. It has been around loong before the Internet and has been found in artwork from almost every civillization.
It is up to the parents to teach their children values and not to respond to any of these people.
Private Reply to Scott Wolpow | | Oct 11, 2010 8:17 pm | | re: re: This is a Matter of Deep Concern! | # |
John Snyder | | Craigslist is considered a Social Site and has gotten worse in just the past few months. It is not a matter of responding, rather one of keeping this material out of Kids hands. There are no locks to keep this suff from young eyes. It is easy to lock a computer within your control, but Kids access the Internet from many sources. See how easy it is to access this site and then you tell me if you want your Kids Viewing this? This post was only to give you a heads up, if you don't want to heed what I have tod you, that is on you.
JohnPrivate Reply to John Snyder | | Oct 11, 2010 8:27 pm | | re: re: re: This is a Matter of Deep Concern! | # |
Scott Wolpow | | No Craigslist is a classified ad site. I used to see the same type of ads in the Village Voice and similar papers. I just do not want the government to censor anything. Private Reply to Scott Wolpow | | Oct 11, 2010 8:44 pm | | re: re: re: This is a Matter of Deep Concern! | # | 
Bobbi Jo Woods | | John
I agree with you on most of what you say, however, kids at 13 are curious about things relating to sexuality, and as such, curiosity will lead them to many places that you cannot control. In my opinion, as long as they're just viewing graphic images online to quench their curiosity, as opposed to meeting strange individuals with suspect intent in dark alleys, isn't that for the better?
As for the content on Craigslist? Being a community site, content is flagged for removal by other users. It is probably highly likely that since Craigslist is a site in which free speech is of high priority, the only way to keep questionable content out of the site is to constantly be flagging it. Seeing as it's an international site with millions of postings across various categories, I don't suppose you have that kind of time, do you?
In any case, if you feel the need to, block craigslist.org as an address on your computer that can only be accessed by you (there are many child-safety Internet software apps that can help you do this).
-Bobbi Jo
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http://www.bwoodsdesign.comPrivate Reply to Bobbi Jo Woods | | Oct 11, 2010 8:49 pm | | re: re: re: re: This is a Matter of Deep Concern! | # |
John Snyder | | Do you believe that Porn should be displayed where Kids might have a chance to see it? This is all types of graphic Pictures, Gay, Straight, mixed you name it, it is displayed there. They even show Semen shots, I won't go into graphic detail. Just visit there and click on the PIC's. Not all are this way, but many are. Maybe you don't remember the racy Maga that were on the newstands in the 1950's-1960's. There was a big puh to get rid of them then, and they were mild compared to this. The Kids used to cluster together when anyone of us got our hands on one. That is what the kids are doing now, because it is forbidden. You won't find these Pictures in any newspaper.
It needs to be cleaned up.
JohnPrivate Reply to John Snyder | | Oct 11, 2010 9:01 pm | | re: re: re: re: This is a Matter of Deep Concern! | # |
John Snyder | | Bobbi Jo,
That is not the issue. The Kids want to see this as you say. Most adults do not visit this section as they have no desire to do so Ex: Men on Men. If it weren't for my Niece, I wouldn't even know rhis existed. I do know that it takes 3 different flags to remove a post but the poster is able to put it right back up, so it does not solve the problem. Craigslist only posts disclaimers so it does no good to contact them, they refuse to monitor their sites.
Just go to the closest site and see for yourself.Private Reply to John Snyder | | Oct 11, 2010 10:40 pm | | re: re: re: re: re: This is a Matter of Deep Concern! | # |
Bobbi Jo Woods | | John-
If you really knew me, you'd know I wasn't alive before 1973.
I know what you mean, though.
No, I don't believe porn should be accessible easily to kids.
But rather than try to fight oil against water since Craigslist is what it is--won't change anytime now or in the future--why not just let it go, and try to talk to your niece about it.
PS - you did go into graphic detail.Private Reply to Bobbi Jo Woods | | Oct 11, 2010 11:16 pm | | re: re: re: re: re: re: This is a Matter of Deep Concern! | # |
John Snyder | | Bobbi Jo,
Several Politicians are taking up the fight and believe that Craigslist will change eventually. They got rid of their Adult Services section under presure but it did not eliminate the postings as they just moved to other sections of the personals section. A small group of people with the right cause can make a difference, look at the Tea Party.
Talking to Kids does no good because4 when they are with friends, they will do something you don't want them to, just because you forbid them to. Remember when you were a teenager? With Cell Phones and laptops they access the Internet and go anywhere on it they want to, a wide open site like Craigslist is very enticing.
If you think I was graphic, go visit the site for yourself, but be prepared to be shocked.
JohnPrivate Reply to John Snyder | | Oct 11, 2010 11:44 pm | | re: re: re: re: re: re: re: This is a Matter of Deep Concern! | # |
Bobbi Jo Woods | | John-
Not much could shock me these days. My ex-fiancé and I used to design adult web sites :P
A little-known, but true fact. In the early 2000's, that's where the money was at.Private Reply to Bobbi Jo Woods | | Oct 11, 2010 11:51 pm | | This is a Matter of Deep Concern! | # | 
Mike Fesler BizHarmony | | John,
I know from where you are coming from.
But I also know that you can not run before your children or the children of others and sanitize everything they come in contact with.
I happen to enjoy Craigslist as it is a filter for me.
If I run across someone that has posted or functioning on Craigslist (CL) Red Flag
If in my due diligence there is an association with a potential client. . . Red Flag.
You see the simple fact that CL has taken the path that they have? Has placed them in a position of lack of credibility.
Simply due to the lack of accountability that they spouse every time when a tough decision is to be made by the management or board.
They are deemed worthless as a credible site much like any porn site or scam site on the net.
Simply. . . you can not go around the world and place enough warnings on small arms ammunition to stop injury or death. It is their design to do just that.
Keep your morals and standards high. . . and the rest of the family will follow. God forbid that there will be a temporary slip up and or experimentation, the damages will be slight and can even be a learning experience.
But the bottom line?. . . . .
It will remain, it will go on, it will go on festering, it will go on destroying.
The only good defense is a great offence.
Teach them well.
And Pray that they take to heart your concern and well being.
Blessings,
M.
Private Reply to Mike Fesler BizHarmony | | Oct 11, 2010 11:58 pm | | re: re: re: re: re: re: re: re: This is a Matter of Deep Concern! | # |
John Snyder | | Bobbi Jo,
I'll bet you didn't allow uninhibited access. What I am talking about is wideopen. You live in Kansas, check out Witchata. Enter throuh Rants & Raves, Click on Personals, Click on ads wic PIC on them.
JohnPrivate Reply to John Snyder | | Oct 11, 2010 11:59 pm | | re: This is a Matter of Deep Concern! | # |
Scott Wolpow | | John,
The trouble is who will decide what is decent.
The Tea Party grows not because people believe in them, but they are just tired of the current stock of both parties.
If parents were open about it with their children, then the forbidden is not forbidden.Private Reply to Scott Wolpow | | Oct 12, 2010 12:03 am | | re: re: re: re: re: re: re: re: re: This is a Matter of Deep Concern! | # |
Bobbi Jo Woods | | I don't live in Kansas! I'm in the St. Paul/Minneapolis area. Another illustration of how well you know me. Private Reply to Bobbi Jo Woods | | Oct 12, 2010 12:21 am | | re: re: re: re: re: re: re: re: re: This is a Matter of Deep Concern! | # |
Bobbi Jo Woods | | John
You are right, the sites we set up back then had age verification software to ask that you were 18 or older to get in. And use a credit card. But did we try to screen all people who paid via credit card with any doubts that they might be under 18 using mom or dad's credit card (or their own, but being under 18)? No. There money is just as green as everyone else's
I guess the point I'm making is much like Mike's. While I agree the content on Craigslist is not justifiable by any means, it is what it is and we cannot, as adults, go forward and attempt to cleanse everything kids come into contact with. They will learn, just as we did. Yes, all kids come into contact with porn in some way or another, unless they're Amish or one of the Duggar's kids. My friends' dads had mags in their garages, bathrooms, etc. When our parents found out that me and my sister saw such stuff, were they mad? Yes, but not at us--and they explained some of the things we saw to us in a frank manner. Did we turn out OK? Of course we did. Private Reply to Bobbi Jo Woods | | Oct 12, 2010 12:31 am | | re: re: re: re: re: re: re: re: re: re: This is a Matter of Deep Concern! | # |
John Snyder | | What I am talking about Scott and Bobbi Jo, are actual pictures of Graphic Sex Acts, Oral, Anal, and everyhing in between. Again in living Graphic Closeups, The most Adult Magazines don't even compare with what is up there.
And Yes Bobbi Jo, I assumed you were close to Eileen, check out the site in your City.Private Reply to John Snyder | | Oct 12, 2010 12:42 am | | This is a Matter of Deep Concern! | # |
Scott Wolpow | | John,
First many magazines have that type of material and have been around since the 70's.
Second, go to google, disable safe search and look for Lindsay Lohan topless or Oral Sex. etc.
Search the top 100 sites on Alexa, the adult sites have no real means to stop people.
The adult industry does not want underage customers. Not worth the headaches.
And according to my conatcts in the industry, they do more business in the bible belt than any where else.
In fcat back in the 80's one contact I had owned both a Christian gift catalog and an adult catalog company. When we entered all the anmes into the database and compared them, we found a large amount of crossover.Private Reply to Scott Wolpow | | Oct 13, 2010 2:34 pm | | re: This is a Matter of Deep Concern! | # | 
Eileen Brown | | Hiya Folks.
John - I agree that this type of porn [filth] should not be
seen by children or adolescents. If this isssue to so very
important to you, take it up as a personal cause.
I have to agree with BJ, Scott and Mike (et ali) that it IS
up to the parents and families to keep their kids safe from
this exposure. But, it is out there, so we must be vigilant.
The only people who cannot seem to make up their minds about
what porn is (and is not) are those who sit in judgment on
us all - the supreme court justices. The laws of the land
prevail and "free speech" is one of them.
As you say, the 50's-60's had magazines. The only thing
that has changed is the media for presentation. I know the
crapola you speak of, as (yes) I have witnessed the same.
WE protect our children as "out there" it is a crap-shoot.
Eileen
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Scott Wolpow | | Not having children, I thought about what I would say.
I would tell them what happens between adults is their own business. I would explain that what they see on porn sites are peoplel playing adult games and when they get old enough they can make up their own minds what they like and do not like. The most impotrant thing is you must respect the wishes of the peoplel you are playing with.
To call it filth is really creating a bias. I am willing to bet that what you do in your own personal life could be labled as filth by others. That is why judges can not rule.
Did you know that an episode of Classic Star Trek was labled obscene in parts of the country?
It was the edpisode where Kirk kissed Uhura. Stations in the south refused to air it.
Private Reply to Scott Wolpow | | Oct 14, 2010 11:30 am | | re: re: re: This is a Matter of Deep Concern! | # |
Eileen Brown | | John...
Perhaps this will help you make your own computer safer for
your family situation.
http://tinyhacker.com/hacks/lock-safesearch-in-google/
I've never locked down my computers but sometimes have
wished I had, for more than this reason.
Eileen :D
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Mike Fesler BizHarmony | | What is being proposed is the implementation of the 21st century chastity belt.
And we all know how successful the others before were.
It is what it is. . . . teaching others the realities as you see it, is the answer to the sustainable consistency that you seek.
Bastardization or perversions will always exist. The total public erasing of these will not help society. . . it will only help drive these conditions further underground. Leading others to their delusional thoughts that they no longer exist. (Out of sight . . . out of mind?) (I do believe that there should be controls set as society deems fit for the time.)
Then when a dose of reality hits? Many can not regulate their own feelings and succumb to the depravity.
With a moral basis armed with a functioning moral compass to follow? You can always get back on track.
But if you haven’t any orientation to start with? You haven’t a clue as to what direction to turn.
Blessings,
M.
Private Reply to Mike Fesler BizHarmony | | Oct 14, 2010 3:02 pm | | re: re: re: re: This is a Matter of Deep Concern! | # |
Bobbi Jo Woods | | Hi Eileen
The Lock Safe Search feature is only good for Google search. It won't work on other search engines, like Yahoo! or Bing, for example. And it certainly will not help with John's Craigslist program.
Perhaps a more appropriate solution would be one of these (courtesy of Common Sense Media):
http://www.commonsensemedia.org/node/623409Private Reply to Bobbi Jo Woods | | |
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